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		<title>Comment on A Tree Grows in Brooklyn Book 1 &#8211; Discussion 1 by Bara</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 04:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today, not knowing this is probably my favorite book of all, a friend happened to mention this book .  The first time I read this, I had no idea in the world that I would end up living in Brooklyn myself; it was the era Betty White depicted first of all that attracted me and then, when I started reading, it was Francie who made the story compelling for I identified so completely with her - the loner, introspective girl whose greatest pleasure was reading, choosing a book from the library on Saturdays and then going home to read it, not on a fire escape but in my bedroom.  Francie the dreamer, Francie who adored her father so completely that she could overlook his faults and see him for the gentle but flawed man he was.  In so many ways, Francie was me and I knew what she held in her heart.  I loved Sissy, loved the, I believe it was Williamsburg, Brooklyn, neighborhood, knew how she felt when, during the walk with her father, she spotted the school she knew she wanted to attend, understood why she misled the teacher and her feelings after.  I applaud the New York Public Library for naming &quot;Tree&quot; as one of the best books of the century.  I am going to find my copy (now lost in the probably thousand books I own) and begin reading it tomorrow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, not knowing this is probably my favorite book of all, a friend happened to mention this book .  The first time I read this, I had no idea in the world that I would end up living in Brooklyn myself; it was the era Betty White depicted first of all that attracted me and then, when I started reading, it was Francie who made the story compelling for I identified so completely with her &#8211; the loner, introspective girl whose greatest pleasure was reading, choosing a book from the library on Saturdays and then going home to read it, not on a fire escape but in my bedroom.  Francie the dreamer, Francie who adored her father so completely that she could overlook his faults and see him for the gentle but flawed man he was.  In so many ways, Francie was me and I knew what she held in her heart.  I loved Sissy, loved the, I believe it was Williamsburg, Brooklyn, neighborhood, knew how she felt when, during the walk with her father, she spotted the school she knew she wanted to attend, understood why she misled the teacher and her feelings after.  I applaud the New York Public Library for naming &#8220;Tree&#8221; as one of the best books of the century.  I am going to find my copy (now lost in the probably thousand books I own) and begin reading it tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Good Earth, Discussion the Last by Patti Smith</title>
		<link>http://classicreads.wordpress.com/2011/03/07/the-good-earth-discussion-the-last/#comment-735</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patti Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 04:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m still chewing on the ending...it certainly didn&#039;t end happily but I don&#039;t think there was another way.  If it had all ended &quot;nicely,&quot; it wouldn&#039;t have been realistic.  Wang Lung saw education as something he lacked and others had.  While I think he truly wanted what was best for his sons, I do think he wanted what was best for his sons for the wrong reasons.  What is an education if the content is never to be used?  Wouldn&#039;t his sons have benefited more from an education tailored to what they did for a living...nurturing the family business?  Instead Wang Lung sent his sons away &quot;to get soft&quot; like the rich men...then became angry when his sons became soft, didn&#039;t want to work in the fields, and did not honor the land as Wang Lung had.   None of them benefited from wanting what others had.

The land didn&#039;t do Wang Lung any good in the end...the sons were going to get rid of it as soon as he died...they would probably split the money and run through it in no time.

I don&#039;t think I wasted my time...there is so much here about the Chinese culture that I want to know more about...for an author who I was totally unfamiliar with and a setting with which I have no experience, I was completely drawn into this story.  I think there are so many life lessons here...namely being satisfied with what you have.  Wang Lung spent most of his life working to obtain more...how would his life have been different and how much more happiness and less heartbreak would he have had to bear if he had just been satisfied with enough?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still chewing on the ending&#8230;it certainly didn&#8217;t end happily but I don&#8217;t think there was another way.  If it had all ended &#8220;nicely,&#8221; it wouldn&#8217;t have been realistic.  Wang Lung saw education as something he lacked and others had.  While I think he truly wanted what was best for his sons, I do think he wanted what was best for his sons for the wrong reasons.  What is an education if the content is never to be used?  Wouldn&#8217;t his sons have benefited more from an education tailored to what they did for a living&#8230;nurturing the family business?  Instead Wang Lung sent his sons away &#8220;to get soft&#8221; like the rich men&#8230;then became angry when his sons became soft, didn&#8217;t want to work in the fields, and did not honor the land as Wang Lung had.   None of them benefited from wanting what others had.</p>
<p>The land didn&#8217;t do Wang Lung any good in the end&#8230;the sons were going to get rid of it as soon as he died&#8230;they would probably split the money and run through it in no time.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I wasted my time&#8230;there is so much here about the Chinese culture that I want to know more about&#8230;for an author who I was totally unfamiliar with and a setting with which I have no experience, I was completely drawn into this story.  I think there are so many life lessons here&#8230;namely being satisfied with what you have.  Wang Lung spent most of his life working to obtain more&#8230;how would his life have been different and how much more happiness and less heartbreak would he have had to bear if he had just been satisfied with enough?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Good Earth, Chapters 20-28 by Patti Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patti Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 04:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was so naively disappointed in Wang Lung when he gave in to Cukoo in the Tea House and asked to meet Lotus...but even more so when he brought this pretty much worthless woman into his household.  Wang Lung had always complained about the extra mouths to feed when and if they could not pull their own weight so to speak...and there he goes bringing in pretty much dead weight to just sit around and be pretty...and service him when he pleased.  I had thought Wang Lung so much smarter than that and it disappointed me to see that he could be duped just as easily as any other man...by a pretty woman.  
Cukoo is ridiculous...she has essentially sold her soul to the devil and capitalizes on the objectification of women...money has become her most important asset regardless of her own self worth and pride.  I pitied her as much as I felt angry with her.
I will miss Olan...I didn&#039;t even feel bad for Wang Lung when she died...she gave him everything she had and was willing to work herself to the bone for his pleasure...but he still wasn&#039;t satisfied.  I know it seems mean but I was glad he suffered some when she died...although I didn&#039;t feel he suffered nearly enough.
It does feel like we are on a downward spiral...I had much higher hopes for this book...I hope Wang Lung is able to somehow convince me by the end of the story that he is worthy of my time and the Pulitzer Prize :(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was so naively disappointed in Wang Lung when he gave in to Cukoo in the Tea House and asked to meet Lotus&#8230;but even more so when he brought this pretty much worthless woman into his household.  Wang Lung had always complained about the extra mouths to feed when and if they could not pull their own weight so to speak&#8230;and there he goes bringing in pretty much dead weight to just sit around and be pretty&#8230;and service him when he pleased.  I had thought Wang Lung so much smarter than that and it disappointed me to see that he could be duped just as easily as any other man&#8230;by a pretty woman.<br />
Cukoo is ridiculous&#8230;she has essentially sold her soul to the devil and capitalizes on the objectification of women&#8230;money has become her most important asset regardless of her own self worth and pride.  I pitied her as much as I felt angry with her.<br />
I will miss Olan&#8230;I didn&#8217;t even feel bad for Wang Lung when she died&#8230;she gave him everything she had and was willing to work herself to the bone for his pleasure&#8230;but he still wasn&#8217;t satisfied.  I know it seems mean but I was glad he suffered some when she died&#8230;although I didn&#8217;t feel he suffered nearly enough.<br />
It does feel like we are on a downward spiral&#8230;I had much higher hopes for this book&#8230;I hope Wang Lung is able to somehow convince me by the end of the story that he is worthy of my time and the Pulitzer Prize <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on The Good Earth, Chapters 20-28 by mee</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 01:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read this last year. I thought the good portion of the book died along with O-Lan. Though she rarely talks her presence was always there. Felt a big loss when she was gone and I was just generally sad for her life, unloved til the end.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this last year. I thought the good portion of the book died along with O-Lan. Though she rarely talks her presence was always there. Felt a big loss when she was gone and I was just generally sad for her life, unloved til the end.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Good Earth, Chapters 10-19 by Andi (Estella's Revenge)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andi (Estella's Revenge)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 17:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Patti, thanks sooo muchly for your awesome comments! 

I&#039;m right there with you. I totally could steal if it meant my kiddos got to live and I got to go home to decent living conditions! 

I don&#039;t know about the pearl symbolism beyond something crappy that happens in the next section, but I&#039;ll wait on your comments about that later. 

There have been soooo many times in this book that I want to tell Wang Lung to remember where he came from. He never listens! He started out such an admirable character and to watch his moral demise over the course of the novel is sort of crushing. I pulled for him all the way, though. Buck certainly is a powerful writer in that regard. 

Looking forward to more of your comments!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patti, thanks sooo muchly for your awesome comments! </p>
<p>I&#8217;m right there with you. I totally could steal if it meant my kiddos got to live and I got to go home to decent living conditions! </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about the pearl symbolism beyond something crappy that happens in the next section, but I&#8217;ll wait on your comments about that later. </p>
<p>There have been soooo many times in this book that I want to tell Wang Lung to remember where he came from. He never listens! He started out such an admirable character and to watch his moral demise over the course of the novel is sort of crushing. I pulled for him all the way, though. Buck certainly is a powerful writer in that regard. </p>
<p>Looking forward to more of your comments!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Good Earth, Chapters 10-19 by Andi (Estella's Revenge)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andi (Estella's Revenge)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 17:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He is very resourceful! I wish that made me like him more. LOL I agree on the commentary about socialist men. Give the circumstances I just don&#039;t think there was any choice. I&#039;d probably do the same thing. Wang Lung is still human at this point in the book. 

And I can&#039;t blame O-Lan either. She deserved SOMETHING! Anything at this point.

Finally, I totally agree about taking his pearls and passing those along to Lotus. What an ass! I think it plays out quite nicely in this next section, though. hehe]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is very resourceful! I wish that made me like him more. LOL I agree on the commentary about socialist men. Give the circumstances I just don&#8217;t think there was any choice. I&#8217;d probably do the same thing. Wang Lung is still human at this point in the book. </p>
<p>And I can&#8217;t blame O-Lan either. She deserved SOMETHING! Anything at this point.</p>
<p>Finally, I totally agree about taking his pearls and passing those along to Lotus. What an ass! I think it plays out quite nicely in this next section, though. hehe</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Good Earth, Chapters 10-19 by Patti Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patti Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 00:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I certainly wouldn&#039;t condone stealing or dishonesty under normal circumstances, I think war and starvation bring out both the best and the worst in people.  If my children were starving I think I could steal...I think.  I was so frightened that Wang Lung would sell his daughter...and then I caught myself actually understanding how he could even think of such a thing...one life to save 5 others?
I was glad Wang Lung took the money from the rich man...Wang Lung saw a way to save his family and he took advantage of the opportunity.  Wealth doesn&#039;t have to make people selfish and just plain mean.  I&#039;m a firm believer that treating others poorly will always come back around somehow/someway.

I wonder if there is some deeper meaning behind the two pearls that we don&#039;t know yet...and the fact that O-Lan wants them so close to her at all times?  I&#039;m still wondering about this.

No matter how much money he has, Wang Lung sees that he cannot equal the &quot;city&quot; men...it&#039;s a class separation rather than a financial one...with education or the lack of education being a true divider of men.  I hope that Wang Lung&#039;s sons will come back to run the land but with the education their father lacked.  I hope that their father will find shame in his actions toward O-Lan...without her loyalty and hard work, he would have never succeeded.

I was furious when Wang Lung began visiting the tea house.  Like Heather said, it was like watching an accident as it is happening...I wanted to yell for Wang Lung to get out of there and go back home...to remember where he came from and all the lean years he&#039;d survived with his family.  I was absolutely nauseous when Wang Lung took O-Lan&#039;s pearls...at that moment he officially becomes all that he used to despise in the fat oily rich men behind the brick walls.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I certainly wouldn&#8217;t condone stealing or dishonesty under normal circumstances, I think war and starvation bring out both the best and the worst in people.  If my children were starving I think I could steal&#8230;I think.  I was so frightened that Wang Lung would sell his daughter&#8230;and then I caught myself actually understanding how he could even think of such a thing&#8230;one life to save 5 others?<br />
I was glad Wang Lung took the money from the rich man&#8230;Wang Lung saw a way to save his family and he took advantage of the opportunity.  Wealth doesn&#8217;t have to make people selfish and just plain mean.  I&#8217;m a firm believer that treating others poorly will always come back around somehow/someway.</p>
<p>I wonder if there is some deeper meaning behind the two pearls that we don&#8217;t know yet&#8230;and the fact that O-Lan wants them so close to her at all times?  I&#8217;m still wondering about this.</p>
<p>No matter how much money he has, Wang Lung sees that he cannot equal the &#8220;city&#8221; men&#8230;it&#8217;s a class separation rather than a financial one&#8230;with education or the lack of education being a true divider of men.  I hope that Wang Lung&#8217;s sons will come back to run the land but with the education their father lacked.  I hope that their father will find shame in his actions toward O-Lan&#8230;without her loyalty and hard work, he would have never succeeded.</p>
<p>I was furious when Wang Lung began visiting the tea house.  Like Heather said, it was like watching an accident as it is happening&#8230;I wanted to yell for Wang Lung to get out of there and go back home&#8230;to remember where he came from and all the lean years he&#8217;d survived with his family.  I was absolutely nauseous when Wang Lung took O-Lan&#8217;s pearls&#8230;at that moment he officially becomes all that he used to despise in the fat oily rich men behind the brick walls.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Good Earth, Chapters 10-19 by Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Heather]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 15:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wang Lung is a resourcefully thing, isn&#039;t he? At first, there is that initial &quot;I can&#039;t believe he is doing that&quot; when all those people &#039;storm the castle&#039; as it were, but then, it was kind of &quot;well, everyone else is doing it!&quot; In the end, it felt kind of...well...fair! This whole section is such a great commentary on China and it&#039;s socialist mien.

I can&#039;t blame O-Lan a bit. She wanted something for herself. Her whole life, she had never had a pretty thing. What is two pearls to Wang Lung, who had so much? I was so ANGRY with him when he took them from her. I do believe I saw red.

Education is going to mean a lot, but I&#039;ve already finished the book! Don&#039;t want to give any spoilers!

As for the pearls again, I was absolutely furious with Wang Lung.  I know it&#039;s a cultural thing, that people seem to think nothing of a man taking another wife, but to take O-Lan&#039;s pearls, when they meant so much to her...it really showed how little he thought of her. If I had been reading the book, I might have thrown it across the room! But I couldn&#039;t do that to my iPod.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wang Lung is a resourcefully thing, isn&#8217;t he? At first, there is that initial &#8220;I can&#8217;t believe he is doing that&#8221; when all those people &#8216;storm the castle&#8217; as it were, but then, it was kind of &#8220;well, everyone else is doing it!&#8221; In the end, it felt kind of&#8230;well&#8230;fair! This whole section is such a great commentary on China and it&#8217;s socialist mien.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t blame O-Lan a bit. She wanted something for herself. Her whole life, she had never had a pretty thing. What is two pearls to Wang Lung, who had so much? I was so ANGRY with him when he took them from her. I do believe I saw red.</p>
<p>Education is going to mean a lot, but I&#8217;ve already finished the book! Don&#8217;t want to give any spoilers!</p>
<p>As for the pearls again, I was absolutely furious with Wang Lung.  I know it&#8217;s a cultural thing, that people seem to think nothing of a man taking another wife, but to take O-Lan&#8217;s pearls, when they meant so much to her&#8230;it really showed how little he thought of her. If I had been reading the book, I might have thrown it across the room! But I couldn&#8217;t do that to my iPod.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Good Earth, Chapters 1-9 by Andi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Patti, thanks for joining us! That uncle is a piece.of.work. Uggg!!! I can&#039;t say he grows up much either, but I won&#039;t give any more than that away. lol 

O-Lan is definitely a tough cookie, and I found her the most sympathetic character in the whole darn thing (maybe aside from the innocent children). I think you make a good point about Wang Lung&#039;s place in society -- the family wouldn&#039;t survive in that culture and that  time period if he didn&#039;t act just as we&#039;ve seen thus far. It&#039;s a hard mindset to get into. It was definitely enlightening for me as a reader. 

And Heather and I are both southerners, and I&#039;m sure we both screamed &quot;SCARLETT!!!&quot; in our heads at the last line about the land. 

Glad you love it! I&#039;m looking forward to discussing more with you. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patti, thanks for joining us! That uncle is a piece.of.work. Uggg!!! I can&#8217;t say he grows up much either, but I won&#8217;t give any more than that away. lol </p>
<p>O-Lan is definitely a tough cookie, and I found her the most sympathetic character in the whole darn thing (maybe aside from the innocent children). I think you make a good point about Wang Lung&#8217;s place in society &#8212; the family wouldn&#8217;t survive in that culture and that  time period if he didn&#8217;t act just as we&#8217;ve seen thus far. It&#8217;s a hard mindset to get into. It was definitely enlightening for me as a reader. </p>
<p>And Heather and I are both southerners, and I&#8217;m sure we both screamed &#8220;SCARLETT!!!&#8221; in our heads at the last line about the land. </p>
<p>Glad you love it! I&#8217;m looking forward to discussing more with you. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on The Good Earth, Chapters 1-9 by Andi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m glad you liked it, Heather! My record continues! LOL 

I definitely wanted to smack Wang Lung upside the head as well. My heart broke for O-Lan over and over again, but then again, I tried to remove myself somewhat from my contemporary mindset and not put my expectations of the treatment of women onto these characters. I never said I was very successful at that, though! 

I was also constantly agog at the grandfather. He just seemed like such a miserable little thing, and personally I would have a hard time eating before a breastfeeding mother or my grandkids. The cultural differences are so pronounced, again, it&#039;s hard to step out of our contemporary mindset.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you liked it, Heather! My record continues! LOL </p>
<p>I definitely wanted to smack Wang Lung upside the head as well. My heart broke for O-Lan over and over again, but then again, I tried to remove myself somewhat from my contemporary mindset and not put my expectations of the treatment of women onto these characters. I never said I was very successful at that, though! </p>
<p>I was also constantly agog at the grandfather. He just seemed like such a miserable little thing, and personally I would have a hard time eating before a breastfeeding mother or my grandkids. The cultural differences are so pronounced, again, it&#8217;s hard to step out of our contemporary mindset.</p>
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